"I live in Niles Township: They will not listen to me becasue we don't vote or elect the council" Public pressure and sentiment knows no district or ward. If the dam and river run anywhere near your home, your property, and its near the ecology of a watershed running right past your back-yard??? Then you ABSOLUTELY have a voice in this process. I assure you. If 37 of you walk into the meeting that night to address the board, they are NOT going to ask what side of the invisible line you live on. Think about it: How can you live next to the dam, along the river or along what could become a flooded impoundment--and NOT have a say in it ! If you still feel that you can't make a difference? Pick up the phone and call 1 person in Niles City who can speak your opinion for you. OR, have your Township work for you: They represent you to Niles--- and to Berrien county. Some Thoughts: 1. Your township supervisor and trustees interface with the Mayor of Niles and the board frequently on matters that impact both areas. (See below) 2. You are also a resident of Berrien County. The county has a "planning commission" that reviews any changes to things like roads, bridges, water, sewer, etc. They can transect several or many towns, cities, and townships, but they also have input and a degree of oversight. The county's finance committee (oddly,) handles issues pertaining to soil erosion and sedimentation issues. Niles Charter Township Board of Trustees
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In December 2010, a group requested that Niles consider removal of the Pucker Street dam in an upcoming vote. The dam has out-lived its usefulness and is in-operable. However, water quality and the dam's structure continue to degrade. Paid energy consultants report that dam restoration isn't economically feasible. Today, funds for the dam's removal are available. We dedicate this page to those wishing to learn facts and seek your participation in some small way.
Monday, February 21, 2011
NILES TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS: Update
Sunday, February 20, 2011
Feb. 28th Meeting: City Council Committee-of-the-Whole
***** PLEASE JOIN US. THIS MEANS YOU ******
Niles City Council "Committee-of-the-Whole" meeting
6 P.M.
Niles City Meeting Room @ Niles Fire Department (north entrance)
1350 E. Main Street, Niles, MI 49120
There will be a quick normal city council meeting beginning promptly at 6 p.m. After what is expected to be a brief meeting and light agenda, the Committee of the Whole portion will begin. The beginning portion of the meeting starts with 'open mic' opportunities to briefly address the council and express your views and perspective. Then, each of the options for the dam will make a presentation for all.
(Below is content added from 2/19 meeting):
Even if you do not have voting rights in Niles, your presence and living near the river DO have impact. If you know anyone living in Niles 'proper' tell them to participate. This is a major decision and the council will be watching for what kind of interest there is on this matter. Whether you own a home or not. Whether you are a voter--or not. Anyone can speak to the council and voice their opinion. We have, Ken doesn't even live in Michigan--yet we have gotten the city to open doors.
To have your comments perceived respectfully, follow appropriate meeting decorum.
1.) To the city clerk, clearly state your name and address.
2.) Formally greet the Mayor, and then the council group in that order.
3.) Explain to them what you want to talk about.
4.)Then, talk about what you want to talk about. Try and limit your viewpoint to 1 minute; unless questions are asked of you and a 2-way dialogue begins.
After the open session, there will be presentations by the MDNR, Paterson, Falling Waters, LLC and Hope Energy explaining their view of the Dam's future and what is best for the city and public at-large.
Remember, KEEP it CIVIL and CALM. There is nothing that ruins credibility faster than emotional "hot heads" who do not respect the rules of the game. There is a LONG way to go, and this is only the third of many, many steps to come. When running a marathon, it isn't wise to trip on your way out the front door the day of the race !!
Afterward, an informal, gathering will be held at Nuggets, at 202 Main St. in downtown Niles for the discussion to continue. Arguing and fist-fights are not part of the agenda.
Thanks!
Niles City Council "Committee-of-the-Whole" meeting
6 P.M.
Niles City Meeting Room @ Niles Fire Department (north entrance)
1350 E. Main Street, Niles, MI 49120
There will be a quick normal city council meeting beginning promptly at 6 p.m. After what is expected to be a brief meeting and light agenda, the Committee of the Whole portion will begin. The beginning portion of the meeting starts with 'open mic' opportunities to briefly address the council and express your views and perspective. Then, each of the options for the dam will make a presentation for all.
(Below is content added from 2/19 meeting):
Even if you do not have voting rights in Niles, your presence and living near the river DO have impact. If you know anyone living in Niles 'proper' tell them to participate. This is a major decision and the council will be watching for what kind of interest there is on this matter. Whether you own a home or not. Whether you are a voter--or not. Anyone can speak to the council and voice their opinion. We have, Ken doesn't even live in Michigan--yet we have gotten the city to open doors.
To have your comments perceived respectfully, follow appropriate meeting decorum.
1.) To the city clerk, clearly state your name and address.
2.) Formally greet the Mayor, and then the council group in that order.
3.) Explain to them what you want to talk about.
4.)Then, talk about what you want to talk about. Try and limit your viewpoint to 1 minute; unless questions are asked of you and a 2-way dialogue begins.
After the open session, there will be presentations by the MDNR, Paterson, Falling Waters, LLC and Hope Energy explaining their view of the Dam's future and what is best for the city and public at-large.
Remember, KEEP it CIVIL and CALM. There is nothing that ruins credibility faster than emotional "hot heads" who do not respect the rules of the game. There is a LONG way to go, and this is only the third of many, many steps to come. When running a marathon, it isn't wise to trip on your way out the front door the day of the race !!
Afterward, an informal, gathering will be held at Nuggets, at 202 Main St. in downtown Niles for the discussion to continue. Arguing and fist-fights are not part of the agenda.
Thanks!
2/19 Meeting Summary / Recap / Corrections
Thanks to all that attended the community information meeting. Thank You.
We hope it educated and informed you on the benefits of dam removal.
Whatever side of the issue you decide on, we stress that participating has tremendous influence.
Regarding the film, the discussion, the presentation? We tried to collect the relevant info, but we don't expect perfection. Our main goal was that it was a productive use of peoples time.
Now, some housekeeping and corrections to note on topic-points:
1.) There was an answer the speaker made that during the '08 flooding episode, that all 5 gates of the dam were open at the time the river was really up and snortin'.
He based his answer by viewing some film: and seeing the 5 streams of water coming down from the dam in some aerial footage we got from Jessica.
BUT, We were told by people at the meeting who were on-site that day that there were 3 gates open. The reason: The other 2 gates were inoperable. OK, our bad. Also note: If you check out the film in the link below at 1:02, it seems like there are actually only 2 gates open. Am I right on this or wrong? Is this a "grassy-knoll" moment? Not a major deal. Water under the bridge.
Click here for the 5-chutes vs. 3-gates matter
We'll say 'our bad' on answering that pop quiz wrong. We will always seek to find facts and correct
. And if only 3 out of 5 gates were open? Then, SHAME on the city for not having it able to be open with 5.
If the gates are broken, they should be repaired. Not for hydro-generating purposes, either. Its a major safety issue. Or not. Then just get another team of volunteers and pay them overtime to help with even more sand-bagging.
Moving On........
2. ) We have corrected/re-worded the claim he made of an increase of river cfs of 5% if the dam were removed. The author (me) had confused cfs with speed when inquiring on the DNR made this prediction.
So...here's the Clarification: The SPEED of the river will increase 5% if the dam is removed. verified by DNR.
3.) At one point, there were words which may have been mis-spoken (by accident, the speaker was quite nervous) that conflicted about Dams and Flooding.
So, The 4 points on flooding that are verifiable facts, available in provided data on the site, are re-asserted here:
So sorry if the presenter flubbed up on his words; it appears he got de-railed a bit.
Moving On.......
4.) In our demonstrating the difference in property values on a blue ribbon river vs. a river like the Dowagiac....while we have shown the large price difference gap, we will verify what the tax rates are on the home, and whether the home on the Pere Marquette butts-up against federal land. More to follow, and we will update it right here when the Berrien and Lake counties call us back.
5.) There was a concern that people who don't vote, those not living in Niles proper have "no leverage, no power" to influence the council. This is a point that could be argued; and it will:
Editorializing:
Here's a thought for all : If the 37(?) people who showed up to this meeting ---show up on the meeting on the 28th? This will have a tremendous impact on the importance of this issue. The newspaper will be sure to dedicate a chunk of this in the following weeks news. Gauranteed.
I have been to 4 city council meetings in Niles. There is usually 2-3 businesses trying to get a some approval on zoning on something, 2-3 police or firefighters sor of hanging out, a couple people upset about the garbage service or their tax bill. Also, a reporter from the paper who hangs back and takes notes. Thats about it.
IF YOU LIVE ALONG THE BANKS OF THE RIVER, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT and RELEVANT TO MAJOR VOTES THAT AFFECT THE RIVER AND YOUR HOME. If you attended our meeting, don't think for a moment that its all for 'naught'. Giving up? Not gonna show on the 28th? Then how bout this: Do you know any Niles residents who DO have voting rights? Tell THEM to show up and speak on your behalf. There........problem solved.
Whether you are from Niles, Niles Township, or Bolingbrook, IL. There is a direct relationship between influence on a community decision ....and butts-in-seats filled with people who step to the mic.
No, I cant give you data, but when people show up and speak up, even without a formal procedure and vote----things can change. Don't belive us? Please Google:
" Mubarek resigns as President of Egypt" Dramatic? yes.
But involvment, participation, and speaking up can and does happen in local politics, folks. And it works.
Henry Ford said it best:
"Whether you think you can or you cant? Either way, you're Right".
See you on the 28th. With questions prepared.
.....
Andy
We hope it educated and informed you on the benefits of dam removal.
Whatever side of the issue you decide on, we stress that participating has tremendous influence.
Regarding the film, the discussion, the presentation? We tried to collect the relevant info, but we don't expect perfection. Our main goal was that it was a productive use of peoples time.
Now, some housekeeping and corrections to note on topic-points:
1.) There was an answer the speaker made that during the '08 flooding episode, that all 5 gates of the dam were open at the time the river was really up and snortin'.
He based his answer by viewing some film: and seeing the 5 streams of water coming down from the dam in some aerial footage we got from Jessica.
BUT, We were told by people at the meeting who were on-site that day that there were 3 gates open. The reason: The other 2 gates were inoperable. OK, our bad. Also note: If you check out the film in the link below at 1:02, it seems like there are actually only 2 gates open. Am I right on this or wrong? Is this a "grassy-knoll" moment? Not a major deal. Water under the bridge.
Click here for the 5-chutes vs. 3-gates matter
We'll say 'our bad' on answering that pop quiz wrong. We will always seek to find facts and correct
. And if only 3 out of 5 gates were open? Then, SHAME on the city for not having it able to be open with 5.
If the gates are broken, they should be repaired. Not for hydro-generating purposes, either. Its a major safety issue. Or not. Then just get another team of volunteers and pay them overtime to help with even more sand-bagging.
Moving On........
2. ) We have corrected/re-worded the claim he made of an increase of river cfs of 5% if the dam were removed. The author (me) had confused cfs with speed when inquiring on the DNR made this prediction.
So...here's the Clarification: The SPEED of the river will increase 5% if the dam is removed. verified by DNR.
3.) At one point, there were words which may have been mis-spoken (by accident, the speaker was quite nervous) that conflicted about Dams and Flooding.
So, The 4 points on flooding that are verifiable facts, available in provided data on the site, are re-asserted here:
- Most Dams are not built for flood control purposes.
- The Pucker Street Dam was not built for flood control purposes.
- Dams that are not built for flood control purposes INCREASE the risk of flood.
- Dams that are not built for flood control purposes and are impounded for purposes of power generation---and have raised water levels (for use in hydro-power generation) SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE the risk of flood.
So sorry if the presenter flubbed up on his words; it appears he got de-railed a bit.
Moving On.......
4.) In our demonstrating the difference in property values on a blue ribbon river vs. a river like the Dowagiac....while we have shown the large price difference gap, we will verify what the tax rates are on the home, and whether the home on the Pere Marquette butts-up against federal land. More to follow, and we will update it right here when the Berrien and Lake counties call us back.
5.) There was a concern that people who don't vote, those not living in Niles proper have "no leverage, no power" to influence the council. This is a point that could be argued; and it will:
Editorializing:
Here's a thought for all : If the 37(?) people who showed up to this meeting ---show up on the meeting on the 28th? This will have a tremendous impact on the importance of this issue. The newspaper will be sure to dedicate a chunk of this in the following weeks news. Gauranteed.
I have been to 4 city council meetings in Niles. There is usually 2-3 businesses trying to get a some approval on zoning on something, 2-3 police or firefighters sor of hanging out, a couple people upset about the garbage service or their tax bill. Also, a reporter from the paper who hangs back and takes notes. Thats about it.
IF YOU LIVE ALONG THE BANKS OF THE RIVER, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT and RELEVANT TO MAJOR VOTES THAT AFFECT THE RIVER AND YOUR HOME. If you attended our meeting, don't think for a moment that its all for 'naught'. Giving up? Not gonna show on the 28th? Then how bout this: Do you know any Niles residents who DO have voting rights? Tell THEM to show up and speak on your behalf. There........problem solved.
Whether you are from Niles, Niles Township, or Bolingbrook, IL. There is a direct relationship between influence on a community decision ....and butts-in-seats filled with people who step to the mic.
No, I cant give you data, but when people show up and speak up, even without a formal procedure and vote----things can change. Don't belive us? Please Google:
" Mubarek resigns as President of Egypt" Dramatic? yes.
But involvment, participation, and speaking up can and does happen in local politics, folks. And it works.
Henry Ford said it best:
"Whether you think you can or you cant? Either way, you're Right".
See you on the 28th. With questions prepared.
.....
Andy
How Many Dams Removed in 2010?
You can see for youself:
DOWNLOAD THE REMOVED DAMS SUMMARY
here, which lists them alphabetically, by state.
(By the way, the answer is 60. 3 of which occured in Michigan. The Watervliet dam removal project is not 'quite' finished---so wasn't included in the 2010 tally)
Thanks!
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DOWNLOAD THE REMOVED DAMS SUMMARY
here, which lists them alphabetically, by state.
(By the way, the answer is 60. 3 of which occured in Michigan. The Watervliet dam removal project is not 'quite' finished---so wasn't included in the 2010 tally)
Thanks!
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What about the Fishery? How will Removal Impact It?
This post is trying to give you the facts about how the existing fish upstream of the dam and visiting, migratory fish downstream would respond to the dam being removed and the river being restored to its original state. This is based on scientific and geo-morphologial studies, surveys, and samplings over many years by many experts in their field.
Click HERE to read an excellent summary of the ecological benefit/impact of dam removal.
RIVER FISHERY 'CLIFF NOTES' :
When a dam is removed in a high-quality river system like the Dowagiac, here's what experts expect to occur:
- The average annual temperature will reduce by an average of 2 degrees F.
- The amount of dissolved oxygen in the water will increase year over year throughout the entire main stem.
- The rivers speed, is estimated to increase increase 5%* (*edited 2/19 from a prior assertion of cfs velocity; Ken's mistake)
- The sediment layer above and below the dam site will begin a constant, daily progression out of the river.
- The accumulated arsenic in the sediment from agricultural runoff will safely disperse and move out, and levels can consistently drop into safe ranges (assuming there are no increases in chemical input, of course).
- As the sediment is allowed to transport as it had prior to the dam construction, oxygen storing gravel will be exposed in increasing quantities each year.
- The river will get deeper on average, especially in areas that used to hold sediment for 83 years.
So What? What does this all mean?
It means water that is cooler, cleaner, faster, and healthier for fish. It means that habitat will be created through restoration--naturally---with gravel and increased biomass and food chain that encourages them to reproduce and grow naturally; with less artificial stocking and plants that utilize state fish hatcheries.
Upstream Fish:
There are native species that live upriver of the dam today, most notably brown trout; which are naturally reproduced to a small extent, but more typically artificially stocked. By experiencing the above changes, natural reproduction will increase. The upstream fishery will improve.
Those same "upriver" trout will also have the ability to spread throughout the system, unimpeded and have more habitat to roam. (Kinda like "free range" fish, if you will.)
Downstream Fish:
There are migratory species that visit the downriver portion below the dam. The Dowagiac has never received supplemental stocking of steelhead and salmon. However, the quality of the water, in spite of the dam, is irresistible to them. Anglers from as far away as Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin understand this, and visit every year.
Most notably, the predominant migratory species that migrate in from the St. Joseph river are salmon, steelhead trout, walleye, smallmouth bass, northern pike, catfish, and once upon a time, sturgeon !!
During their annual spawning migrations, each specie will once again be able to transit to the ideal spawning and rearing habitats that the river offers, which will increase in available area as flow volumes begin to remove the sediment blanket, and expose the spawning gravel used to deposit eggs and rear newly hatched fry.
Rivers of a similar quality have seen the above occurences over and over consistently across the U.S. More locally, restored rivers have documented fish populations (in this case, rainbow and brown trout) before and 4 years after-- dam removal and documented a 4x-6x increase in trout and salmonid populations. There is a post in this blog referencing an MDNR study which sites this research from a removal and restoration that occured in Stronach, Michigan on the Pine river. Another similar result is summarized in the film posted here entitled "Preparing for the Future"
TRUE OR FALSE ?
"Trout and salmon cant live together. Salmon invade, and compete for habitat and the salmon cannibalize the trout. The population will get ruined."
Answer: FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE.
Contrary to popular angler belief, which to date is unsupported by any data--trout and salmon can and do co-exist successfully. There are hundreds of rivers in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest, and Mid-Atlantic regions that point to this; which thrive and have inter-mingling salmonid species. Right in our own area, there are numerous destination fisheries in Michigan that receive thousands of visiting anglers who pursue them with flyrods, bait, plugs, spoons, and spinners.One well known river that contains trophy populations of all species is the Pere Marquette. We should also recall that brown trout, a specie of concern for many supporting this argument, are an artificially planted species (just like salmon) that were dumped put into Michigan waters after being shipped over from Germany.
In fact, a club you may have heard of, Trout Unlimited, is one of the largest, best organized proponents of dam removal to improve trout habitat and water quality in general.
(The below 2 pp. added on 2/19)
Hear us out: You may not "want" the trout and salmon to mix. Thats OK. That is a preference of seeing species separated. But it is UNTRUE to say they can't live together and that salmon or steelhead are invaders that ruin populations. For roughly 10 weeks out of the year, salmon show up, drop eggs, and die.
People who make these contentions have either not observed the other flourishing fisheries in Michigan, or have ignored obvious, visual evidence. By the way: the hundreds of thousands of salmon eggs and thousands of parr provide a new and extremely valuabe and easy-to-catch food source for trout. Trout in some river systems put on 50% of their weight gain from gorging on these new sources.
The rotting carcasses of salmon are excellent sources of material eaten by various nymphs and crustaceans like crayfish; another vital food source for trout. This, as you may be concluding is something known as the "food chain". And it works pretty well, we think.
Show us the studies that conflict with documented fisheries management practices by expert in biology--and we will publish them.
Don't believe it? GOOD!
Click here to verify that TU loves dam removal to improve trout ecosystems.
In summary, the fishery stands to derive immediate and measurable benefit to a great degree by river restoration and dam removal. More fish, more naturally reproducing fish, fish that can withstand the extreme high and low temperatures of Michigan's weather, and less dependence on state-sponsored planting of hatchery-reared fish.
TRUE OR FALSE:
"Sediment is BAD. Gravel is GOOD. Sediment is horrible, its awful. It needs to be removed from the river to expose gravel and let the water be crystal clear and let natural vegetation grow. Sediment robs carbon dioxide and creates a hostile substrate. The river needs to flush all the sediment downstream and out of the river"
Answer? FALSE.
Too much sediment in one place can be harmful. Too little sediment in one place can also be harmful. Optimal river health seeks a balance of sediment across the entire length, and will release 'some' un-needed sediment naturally.
Think of a river-bed like a brick wall that lays at a 20 degree angle. Wood, rocks, shells, and other substrate are the bricks. Sediment is like the mortar. If you remove too much mortar, the rain and water will move across the bottom with less resistance and will wash away other underlying materials that are supposed help support the wall and keep it up. The wall, with no mortar --settles and shifts very rapidly. This process eliminates what is more commonly known as " riffles"".
DID YOU KNOW: In dams that are removed, the sediment that is trapped and collected, is sometimes loaded into dump-trucks and brought to DOWNSTREAM river areas to help repair/reinforce areas that have been 'sediment-starved,' and eroding too rapidly.
In those areas, there wasn't enough mortar in the brick wall, and things beneath and to the sides of it were getting washed away (eroded) too quickly. So you see, the proper balance of sediment prevents, not causes the problems.
Still don't believe us? Whatever.
Take the challenge: Pick up the phone, contact the Michigan Department of Natural Resources to confirm anything above, or to ask further questions. They have been recommending dam removal and river restoration to improve the fishery.
They are expecting your call !
Jay K. Wesley
Southern Lake Michigan Unit Manager
DNRE
621 N. 10th Street
Plainwell, MI 49080
269-685-6851 Ext. 117
Thanks!
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